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Forum: PCMCIA Wireless Network Adapter Issues
Re: Sad Yet more fun with that PCI -> Orinoco Card (Alan Knowles)
Re: None [no pci irq] is the problem (David Hinds)
Date: 2000, Jun 08
From: Alan Knowles alan_k

as posting to the hypernews email didn't work - after a few emails from david 
- the following line in /etc/pcmcia.conf (debian's config file) made it work!

note that the wvlan_cs (the Open source driver DOES work!!) and I can now ping both ways :)

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